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  • Hate Politics

    Point was supposed to be: America Good, Innovation Good…
    Staying off topic…

    My concerns are support for American Companies as well as energy
    independence.  I’m not sure at what point
    my comments implied “Green” energy or that I cared about Green Energy.  I personally think the term “Green” is an
    overused marketing buzzword that allows companies to save on material costs
    while tricking people into feel good about a crappier product. Before you know
    it bottled water will start coming in plastic baggies.  I’m not “Green”, “Gray”, “Left Wing”, “Right
    Wing.” I don’t have to be, I am not a politician. I have the luxury to evaluate
    each issue individually and independently draw my own conclusions free of ideological
    prejudice.
       

    I agree that large power companies will likely never be
    profitable using Solar or Wind for power generation. I do think power production
    will gradually be decentralized as residential wind, solar and geothermal technologies
    improve and costs come down.  It will be economics
    and not politics that drive this. I am certain I will never be able to drill an
    oil well in my back yard, refine it and pump it into my car engine, nor will it
    ever be economically possible for me to do so. I am positive I can supply my
    household electrical requirements onsite using Solar and Wind Power. No voodoo
    magic required just some research and basic mechanical ability.  With that said, the equipment cost is too high
    and battery technology needs to improve. It simply isn’t practical unless you live
    in a remote location and have no choice. I like the idea of being personally energy independent. 

    The Electric Engine has the benefit of being fuel agnostic. The
    source can be Coal, Nuclear, Wood, Natural Gas, Solar, Wind, Hydro, new undiscovered sources… That
    is a good thing since we allot of those resources.

    Here are a couple of things to think about, independent of
    outside views or opinions. Use your imagination.

    1)     
    What would the gradual and eventual decentralization
    of residential power mean for your local economy? (Residential Electrical Power)

    2)     
    How would the decentralization of residential electrical
    power impact national security?

    Here is a couple I have no idea on but would like to know:

    3)     
    What is our yearly oil barrel deficit? Domestic
    vs. Import

    4)     
    If all proven untapped US oil reserves are
    drilled would there still be a deficit?

    5)     
    How many oil barrels are used yearly to fuel all
    non-commercial auto-traffic in the US?

    6
    )     
    What’s 3 -5?

    7)     
    What is our (US) max potential for bio-diesel
    production (Not China)?

    a.      
    What would the impact be on food prices if all
    potential was utilized?

  • Reason8200

    I hate politics……….Green energy is a myth, the sooner you realize that the better.  NO green energy company can survive on its own without money from the government.  That tells us they cant produce the energy cheaper and more abundantly than fossil fuels.  Also, there is little demand for these electric cars, except for  liberals like yourself who believe buying one of these cars makes them superior.  All because they believe they are saving the planet. 
     Coal produces the electricity for these cars.  A recent study has came out stating that due to this and the gases relased by the massive batteries, they could be worse for the enviroment then the internal combustion engine.
      As I have stated before electric cars cant compete with the internal combustion engine.  electric cars are smaller, cant travel as far, arent as safe, and the batteries are costly when you need to replace them.
      Liberals, like the idea of electric cars because in undermines fossil fuels.  They understand that cheap and abundant energy, i.e. oil, is fuel that drives capitalism and freedom.  Most liberals, want to end that. Their goal is to make the cost of energy so high driving any car would be too expensive.  Electric cars are a step in that direction.         
      Lastly, dont tell me what is coming in your so called future.  That is ploy of the lie of liberalism.  Always telling us and promising the next great thing over the rainbow.  The problem is that next great thing never arrives.  I live in the real world and as such these electric cars are garbage.

  • Reason8200

    Green energy is a myth, the sooner you realize that the better.  NO green energy company can survive on its own without money from the government.  That tells us they cant produce the energy cheaper and more abundantly than fossil fuels.  Also, there is little demand for these electric cars, except for idiot liberals like yourself who believe buying one of these cars makes them superior.  All because they believe they are saving the planet. 
     Coal produces the electricity for these cars.  A recent study has came out stating that due to this and the gases relased by the massive batteries, they could be worse for the enviroment then the internal combustion engine.
      As I have stated before electric cars cant compete with the internal combustion engine.  electric cars are smaller, cant travel as far, arent as safe, and the batteries are costly when you need to replace them.
      Liberals, like the idea of electric cars because in undermines fossil fuels.  They understand that cheap and abundant energy, i.e. oil, is fuel that drives capitalism and freedom.  Most liberals, want to end that. Their goal is to make the cost of energy so high driving any car would be too expensive.  Electric cars are a step in that direction.         
      Lastly, dont tell me what is coming in your so called future.  That is ploy of the lie of liberalism.  Always telling us and promising the next great thing over the rainbow.  The problem is that next great thing never arrives.  I live in the real world and as such these electric cars are garbage.

  • Reason8200

    Green energy is a myth, the sooner you realize that the better.  NO green energy company can survive on its own without money from the government.  That tells us they cant produce the energy cheaper and more abundantly than fossil fuels.  Also, there is little demand for these electric cars, except for idiot liberals like yourself who believe buying one of these cars makes them superior.  All because they believe they are saving the planet. 
     Coal produces the electricity for these cars.  A recent study has came out stating that due to this and the gases relased by the massive batteries, they could be worse for the enviroment then the internal combustion engine.
      As I have stated before electric cars cant compete with the internal combustion engine.  electric cars are smaller, cant travel as far, arent as safe, and the batteries are costly when you need to replace them.
      Liberals, like the idea of electric cars because in undermines fossil fuels.  They understand that cheap and abundant energy, i.e. oil, is fuel that drives capitalism and freedom.  Most liberals, want to end that. Their goal is to make the cost of energy so high driving any car would be too expensive.  Electric cars are a step in that direction.         
      Lastly, dont tell me what is coming in your so called future.  That is ploy of the lie of liberalism.  Always telling us and promising the next great thing over the rainbow.  The problem is that next great thing never arrives.  I live in the real world and as such these electric cars are garbage.

  • Hate Politics

    Ohhhbummer, are you using a
    computer to post to this blog or did you mail a letter to a friend to post this
    for you? Assuming you’ll still be able to drive in 40 years I hope you change
    your mind about electric cars or you’ll be asking a friend for a ride. Let’s
    all hope it’s an American Car and not a Chinese one. I suggest we start supporting
    American Companies as well as stop blaming others for our troubles.  

  • Hate Politics

    I came across this post while researching electric cars and
    found some of the comments interesting. I have owned Volkswagon products till
    recently and I have decided for personal reasons to start buying American made
    products, whether its beer or a car. 

    US Manufacturing companies can only be competitive if they
    innovate and take chances on new technologies. A strong base of early adopters makes
    this possible and is one of our countries greatest strengths.  You can’t have innovation unless there is a
    Market. Whether it was the electric light, cd player, dvd player, the first car,
    pc, cell phone, whatever, there will always be jerkoff #1 (myself) who overpaid
    and another jerkoff #2 who thought he was an idiot for whatever personal reason.
    9 out of 10 times jerkoff #2   eventually adopts the technology.

    http://www.ehow.com/about_6643373_dynamics-elasticity-brand-life-cycles.html

    35 miles sucks but remember to thank the “idiot liberals who want to feel superior to
    everyone else” when you are driving an affordable electric
    powered with a 400 mile range 20 years from now.   

    Or maybe you have invented another power source with the versatility
    of the electricity? In my view of the future I am off the grid, charging my electric
    car from my hybrid solar, wind, geothermal  powered battery bank. Independent from the gas
    companies, the utility companies, political BS and all things I can’t control. 100% Independent, What is more
    American than Independence? 

    Audi’s electric concept car is Joke and it will take them a
    while to catch up. Chevy and Ford should be commended for getting into the
    market early and not allowing Asian car companies to dominate.

  • http://www.carnut.com.au/service-car-transportation.php Car Transport

    lmao well if chevy would just stop -they’ll probably name it Chevy Breakdown

  • http://www.carnut.com.au/service-car-transportation.php Car Transport

    just love that flinstones car.. no fuel needed, not harmful in the environment, you just need strong legs.. lol

  • http://www.mspy.com/ Plischke

    my A4 gets 32 MPG (if I don’t race around, then it gets 28). Audi makes some fine vehicles.

  • Anonymous

    Your comments typify that of most Volt worshipers, promote the NHTSA safety rating, the perception this car costs almost nothing to operate and GM will soon be the next stock market darling. Fact: there have not been enough Volts on the road for an extended period of time to ascertain with certainty, the worthiness of the vehicle’s design and reliability. Utilizing two forms of locomotion to power an automobile would not appear to be an efficient or cost effective technology but rather an incremental “stepping stone” towards pure EV transportation. As an alternative, a vehicle utilizing only electric propulsion makes more sense and as a consequence, the development of these technologies will render petrol/electric designs and development obsolete. I cant find any information which indicates that GM has any developmental or manufacturing participation with the Tesla vehicle. How you reference the Tesla (all electric) automobile and its performance as it relates to the Volt is a moot point. As for GM and its prospects to divorce itself from Federal Government influence. As long as organized labor has a sizable level of ownership in GM, the liberal wing of our government and its agencies will continue to “influence” the product that GM produces. The petrol/electric powered Volt is a prime example of this influence. With liberal elected representatives in the hip pocket of organized labor, all bets are off that GM and its culture will begin to think on its own within the foreseeable future. Ownership and influence are not one in the same.

  • GunTotingLib

    A couple errors.

    First the biggest lie…Safety.
    The fire issue is simple, if you sit in your totaled Volt 3 weeks after you wreck it may catch fire. That is what happened. Just like any wrecked vehicle it has to be unfueled after a wreck to be stored. If you don’t drain the volts wrecked power cells before storage they may catch fire in a couple weeks. There is no indication they will catch fire under normal operating conditions or immediately following a wreck. It has been reproduced twice and both times it caught fire weeks later.

    Also google ” volt crash rating ” and click the second link, the consumers report story. You will see that the Volt has the earned the top 5 star safety rating from the NHTSA. The Toyota Corolla only has an overall score of 3 stars. And the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, a Independent, nonprofit, research and communications organizations funded by private auto insurers gives the Volt the TOP SAFETY PICK award. Any question of safety of the Volt is nothing more the right wing hating.

    No one sees driving a EV as free…yet. Some day it will be nearly so as solar panel technology advances, they will be seemlessly blended into the roof. And will recharge your battery as your car sits in the driveway and at the lot at work. And maybe not in my lifetime , but at some point they will be able to provide enough power to propel the vehicle during day light.

    And as far as “muscle car ” performance goes google ” tesla Roadster ” they already make a cool EV that has a 245 mile range and accelerates 0 to 60 in 3.7 seconds. Of course the first gen costs 100k. But the new 2012 corvette ZR1 costs 112K. But my point continues to be EVs are the future and it should not be a political argument. The Volt is only one of the several successful first generation EVs. Many more will follow with longer range and lower prices.

    And as far as financial independence goes the facts are the facts. It is not my fault that as usual the facts have a liberal bias. When the US bailed out GM it got 67% of GM stock and a controlling ownership of the company. The US has sold a lot of that stock to get back the peoples money and now own a minority non controlling 27% of GM ‘s stock. This is not fuzzy math or wishful thinking but publicly available FACTS. The US government owns 27% of GM and will within the year have NO financial interest in GM. This may not enforce your view of GM as Obama controlled government motors but these are the facts.

  • Anonymous

    The Volt was designed to provide short duration transportation. Because of the limitations associated with current electric-powered vehicle technology, a petroleum fired engine was added to restore the capacity of the Volt’s on board battery and assist when maximum torque requirements are necessary. Lugging around an additional four-hundred pounds of weight which is used on an intermittent basis cannot be described as an efficient design concept. Competing automobile manufacturer’s of EV will concentrate their efforts on the development of higher capacity battery technology and the use of light weight materials to advance EV performance. GM will continue to lag in the development of state of the art battery technology as they have with the development of an all electric vehicle. The only people who will purchase the Volt will be a small select group of individuals who want their cake and eat it too, the novelty of owning an EV with the perceived ability to perform like a “muscle car” when climbing hills or extended use. The main purchaser of this “Rube Goldberg” technology will undoubtedly continue to be our “nanny state” Federal Government. Volt “groupies” have never given any consideration to the fact that both the electric and petroleum power sources will require varying levels of regular maintenance. The perception that running your EV on battery power is like driving an automobile for “free” is somehow a living with a false sense of security. There are many unknown situations which will develop with any new technology. We have already experienced this with the Volt’s “fire” issue. As the continued development of an “all electric automobile” continues, the Volt will be viewed as an albatross of sorts, as it’s long term viability will parallel that of Chevrolet’s Corvair, and the Ford Edsel. Not every new vehicle, or its technology, is a “home run”. As for GM reaching some semblance of “independence” in the near term, at best it is wishful thinking. Anyone can make GM’s numbers look good using “fuzzy math” and the public’s tax dollars.

  • astrophysicist

    Evan meet sarcasm. Sarcasm meet Evan.

  • GunTotingLib

    Why did anyone buy a $20,000 36in plasma TV when 10 years latter you could get one for $1000. Because some people like to be early innovators and those people lead the way for the technological advances. The volt will be judged as the genesis of the great electric cars of the 21st century.

    GM is now more owned by private stockholders then by the government and therfore the stockholders and board choose the directors and upper management. At first the government held a controlling interest of 67% of GM stock but now the government only holds a 27% minority interest and are no longer running the company. Planing to fully sell off the remaining stock in 2012. The GM bail out has been a huge success. 7 continuous quarterly profits and nearly 8 billion in profits this year.

  • Anonymous

    The electric car first saw the light of day approximately one-hundred years ago, long before “big oil” was big. The Volt is and will be, judged a failure in the big scheme of things. Why would anyone buy a Volt hybrid when in a few years, battery technology will be such that an all electric car will become the latest rage? The worst part, Government Motors was staffed with upper-management “crooks” by Obama and his cronies.

  • Anonymous

    The problem with your comment is that these cars are being forced upon us by the government.  Through the EPA and other regulatory agencies who put regulations on gas vehicles meant to drive up the cost on the manufactures and consumers.  Also, look up what 0bama has done to CAFE standards for Companies that own large fleets of vehicles.  He has raised the MPG for vehicles that these fleets must have to levels that are highly costly and in some cases unattainable.
         Safety….. Which would you rather get in to a crash with, a tin can chevy volt which had to be made as flimsy and light as possible so the electric engine could pull it,  or a one ton truck with a solid steel frame. Enough said.
          If GM wouldnt have been bailed out there wouldnt be a chevy volt.  He handed out some vote buying money to his union buddies.  He subverted judicial precedence by getting a judge to rule against the secured debtors of GM, in favor of once again his union goons.  Look it up for yourself.  Then again these are inconvenient facts about your dear ruler.
         As far as saving jobs, it is not the goverments role to pick the winners and losers in society.  If GM would have been managed better and if the unions wouldnt have demanded so much pay and benefits, it may have survived on its own.  Now it is ran by the government.  Also, despite what you have heard, GM hasnt payed back its bailout money yet.
         The issue is, you are a liberal.  You believe it is the governments job to pick the winners and losers in society.  You believe in a command and control economy and state, where the government dictates to the people when and what they will buy ( for the good of everyone).  You are a statist.  Therefore it is difficult for you to understand the basic concept of economic liberty, supply and demand, and the free market.

  • Geebee220

    Slow news day, Marfdrat? These comments were originally made and published OVER 2 YEARS AGO in September 2009 in green.autoblog:
    http://green.autoblog.com/2009/09/03/audi-of-america-president-calls-chevy-volt-a-car-for-idiots-s/

  • Ohhhbummer

    mjoecups – Sounds like you need to get off the MSLSD and try taking reality for a spin, bud. GM projected Volt sales of 10,000 for 2011. Through November they sold 6142. And as NaziPelosi correctly indicated, the majority of these sales can be traced to gubmint fleet purchases, Oblahblah tools like GE and Hollywierdo types.

    A mini history lesson – WARNING! FULL FRONTAL TRUTH, POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS TO OBAMATONS!!  Jeffery Immelt of GE infamy, presided over that company’s dramatic share price collapse and an accounting scandal.  GE agreed to pay a fine to the SEC, ending any further investigating into GE’s accounting shenanigans and permitting Jeffery to skate with a slap on the wrist. Shortly thereafter Oblahblah invited Jeffrey Immelt to become a chief advisor on Ohblahblah’s Economic Recovery Board. Shortly after that came GE’s Volt fleet purchases! Continuing this string of coincidences, poor, impoverished GE became the beneficiary of 14 stimulus grants (i.e. – your tax dollars for the libtards) totaling $25 million, government mandates to enforce using GE’s mercury laced lightbulbs, light rail contracts, windmills, etc… Somehow, poor old hat-in-hand GE went on to record a profit of over $14 billion dollars for 2010 and paid a grand total of $0.00 dollars in corporate income tax.

    And the grandest coincidence of all??? GE owns MSLSD, the biggest, blindest Oblahblah cheerleader in the media universe (an extraordinary accomplishment by any measure!)

    VOLT SALES REALITY CHECK HERE:
    http://gigaom.com/cleantech/gm-wont-meet-its-chevy-volt-2011-sales-goal/

  • Ohhhbummer

    mjoecups – The “short commute” point has already been acknowledged here. That’s all the Volt is good for.  When you factor in all aspects, it’s uncertain that EV’s provide the most efficient net use of energy and the lowest net pollution output.

  • Ohhhbummer

    Uhhh, your car is not a battery pack. I’m sure you have replaced some parts on your 200,000 mile vehicle.  I have a Crown Victoria with 236,000 miles that still runs pretty well, but I have had to maintain it $$$.

    Battery capacity diminishes with each discharge/recharge cycle. With each cycle the percent of capacity relative to the “new” battery goes from 100% to 0.

    The expense of replacing lithium ion battery’s in EV’s has been a major hurdle to sales. You can bet GM is advertising the best they can do with a 100,000 miles/8 years warranty in an effort to jump that hurdle. Lesson – you can bet you won’t get any significant mileage past the warranty.

  • GunTotingLib

    Yes they have been around for 30 years. But their development has been squashed by the dollars of big oil. This is the first real attempt to develop a mainstream market for them and for some strange reason it really pisses off conservatives that some people may like to own an electric car. And I just don’t understand why?

  • Anonymous

    The volt is not selling all it can make, that is just not true.  For the rest of your drivel, in all your examples given it was ultimately people using the invented product for something they wanted or something that made their life easier or more productive.  Basically, individuals exercising their economic liberty in the free market choosing what products would succeed and which products would fail.  Through peoples choices in the free market they have chosen with their wallets to reject the volt and most other green vehicles.    For several reasons, price, safety, space (try going on a family trip in one of these clown cars), dependability, and so on.   The government has tried to push these green cars on the public by first bailing out GM ,and then giving a rebate with taxpayers dollars.  Still after all that no one wants these cars.  Why?  Because they are inferior to vehicles powered by internal combustion engine.  AS far a making it political, you need first look at your own name, then look at your previous comment,… libtard.

  • NaziPelosi

    Idiot the idea was that it is an all electric car …and it is not , it is an overpriced POS that when you crunch the numbers get around 35 miles a gallon, any midsize car achieves this and costs around $20,0000. The Volt is Obama and the liberal Greenies in a utshell produce an overpriced POS that does not even come close to what it is supposed to do then stick the taxpayer with the $7500 plus tax credits and other tax breaks. The only people buying this joke are the U.S. Governement, Obamas friends  at General Electric, and liberal elites in Hollywood.

  • NaziPelosi

    The POS volt is not American the fire trap Battery is made in South Korea. Yes BUY AMERICAN but not liberal American  ! The Volt is a waste af billions  what a POS it is !

  • NaziPelosi

    Amazing ? LMAO ! It has made a statement it is a POS and is what happens when Liberals run Governements. The statement is also that the car is an overpriced POS which even with our tax payer dollars giving back $7500 to any moron buying this fire trap , you still only get about 30 miles before you have to recharge, The Obama greenies pushed this joke of a car on us and the only ones buying it are General Electric, The U.S. Government, and Hollywood and rich liberal elites. In ten years it will make the worst car list along with the Yugo , and other communist disasters.

  • NaziPelosi

    The numbers dont lie fucktard no middle class or upper middle class people are buying this POS politicallt correct Yugo . Where is around here ??? Liberal fantasy land. The Volt is another Yugo a Government dictated POS from Obamas Greeny central Planning. As an Electric car its sucks only 40 mile range , it catches on fire, and its not truly electric . Actually Liberal fools like you are the tools. Go join the Reverend Moon cult the Obama envirotard cult is getting voted out!

  • stu

    I read about 7 years ago that we cannot move to a hydrogen based fuel system because it would cost about $100B to build the infrastructure????!!!! 
    @google-d87e5476d0d7787c81c92a9f606b7f1c:disqus 
    How much did that bail-out of fossil fuel combustion engine car companies cost, again??

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BPIFJYIKAC7TGLOTY6UZ6MCTAA Brock S.

    Electric cars aren’t innovative..sheep.

  • http://twitter.com/BobbleHeadGuru Farris Khan

    I am not sure what is more ridiculous…

    1. The Audi leaders comments (which are 180 degrees different than Audi’s current strategy) or….

    2. The writer and this “talking point” crowd who failed to notice that Audi leader’s comments are 828 days old?

    Bottom line: Audi now has plans for an entire “Cars For Idiots” car line, it is called “e-Tron”. If you want to get past these stale talking points… Google it. Look at their design for battery architecture. Looks eerily similar to the Volt…. only it won’t be ready for 2-3 more years… which will put it behind GM by 3-4 years.

    Oops! The facts don’t fit the talking points again!

  • Hboag

    ‘Electric cars are the future, the first gen will be less then impressive and expensive. ‘

    Electric cars have been around for many years, at least 30, still unimpressive and still expensive.

  • Anonymous

    Especially the internet.  If the Federal Government take that over, I’d take that action as a declaration of war against every American.  Dont listen to the doom Sayers about the Government motors. Government motors has turn GM into sheeeet just by default being the federal government. 

  • mjoecups

    Your a tool. Go talk to your chevy dealer. Around here they are selling as many as they can get.  Of course around here people aren’t stupid inbred fucktards.

  • mjoecups

    Amazing!  GM is doing great,  the Volt is cool, but was never intended a a major commercial seller.  It makes a statement which is exactly what it was supposed to do.

    Meanwhile all of you dumb “patriotic” americans can only blame your commander and chief for something he has nothing to do with, while trying to make fun of the MOST INNOVATIVE american car in 50 years.

  • mjoecups

    Wow! Stunning.  Go pay you mechanic.

  • mjoecups

    Once again,  More morons!  This website has a lock on the moron demographic apparently.  

    It’s designed as a daily drive for people who are going to work and back.  The vast majority of them don’t go further then the 40 mile all electric range.  The ability to go further is a plus if it’s your only vehicle.

  • mjoecups

    Despite the fact that you are a complete tool, yu make a good point.  Backup is nice.

  • mjoecups

    Is this a special site for morons or what?

    It plugs in so you don’t need to burn gasoline!

  • mjoecups

    So what, are you an american?  Then he is YOUR president too.

  • mjoecups

    Like the federal highway system and the internet.

  • mjoecups

    Maybe yours,  not here in the soviet republic of Washington State.

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  • Duh

    It has an internal combustion engine which recharges the battery, you idiot.

  • Foxhamilton

    Class warfare won’t help these silly pretentions that Electric car proponets espouse.

  • Foxhamilton

    The gentleman’s comment about the self anointed intellectual elite is true in not only the Volt, but most of the other grand schemes they yap about. Wind power is an 8th century technololy and will never deliver the green dream. Solar power for the forseeable future is the same arrogant game played by these clowns.

  • GunTotingLib

    first GM is selling all they can make

    next you get a government rebate for whatever electric car you by, a Volt, a Leaf, the new all electric Ford Focus, a Tesla.

    The volt is very safe , unless you are sitting in it 3 weeks after you are in a totaling accident and it remains fueled then it may burn you.

    I am not in search of “liberal utopia”. Merely progress. In 1905 the Ford was powered by a inline 4 cly gas feed internal combustion engine almost identical to the engine that powers many fords today , 100 years later. Why have we not been able to advance technology in over 100 years?

    It is you regressive cons that have made this into a political issue when is really an issue of inventing, perfecting advancing new and better technology that could make the USA a leader in the world in a new technology and create millions of new manufacturing jobs making this century’s cars stamped with Made in the USA.

    Reality is that new technology takes time to grow. The first VCR’s cost $1000.00 and weight 50 lbs eventually they cost $20.00

    Cell phones only 25 years ago cost $2000,00 was the size and weight of a brick. And cost 75 cents a min to use and did every thing you wanted to do as along as it was making a phone call. Today they give you a phone that is a mini computer ( with more computing power then the entire Apollo 13 moon mission) and you can talk almost continuously on for $50.00 a month.

    Can you not see that we are at the beginning of the future of a great new technology. And be proud that it started in the USA.

  • Anonymous

    fine.