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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=727487694 Dwaun Marshall

    Better plans the most, huh.

  • Chrismullinaxcm

    This is a lie. Rail is cheaper than road. One study even suggested that to extend a two mile stretch of highway in Alabama, it costs $3,200,000, while it would cost only $3,000,000 to run a train from Montgomery, Birmingham and Mobile. Which is cheaper to run? Think about these FACTS, before you start spreading lies.

  • Earnan

     Lightrail is immensely popular with people who will never actually ride it for “serious” purposes.  Oh, they may take it “downtown” on a weekend for ballgame or dinner…  But to actually ride it on a regular basis, commuting to work or going shopping?  Then they always find some excuse to drive.  But “other people” should still suck it up and deal with the inconvenience.  Their time isn’t all that important after all, and standing around waiting for a train in bad weather or toting their groceries long distances on foot is just part of the charm of city living or some such drivel.

  • Earnan

    “Freeways” are for the use of all of us, not just to be utilized by a single for-profit corporation.

    We ALL benefit from the highway system, both directly via the ability to travel safely and swiftly on our own terms, and from the reductions in cost available to commercial users such as bus companies, trucking companies, etc.

    Ra

    Corporate welfare of the “high speed rail” sort is merely paying railroads to do the maintenance on their private property that they would be doing anyway—in other words, converting their expenses into taxpayer-provided profits.
     

  • http://www.marfdrat.net marfdrat

    Andrew – you make a reasonable point about considering the subsidies for highway funding. I’ll have to look into that. I take exception to your comment that “Rail is the only transportation industry built by means of the free market.” I’m not sure how you can make this claim, when billions of dollars of federal subsidies are the only thing protecting Amtrak (for instance) from bankruptcy. The same situation exists for state and local-level projects. Were it not for taxpayer subsidies, and funding for construction, most of the rail projects in existence today would not exist.

    I’m all for free market, capitalist enterprises. I have my doubts about passenger rail, though. If there was a profit to be made in it, somebody would be doing it already (barring overbearing federal regulation that makes doing almost everything more expensive than it needs to be). I don’t even know if taking Amtrak private would work – even though a private enterprise would certainly run the operation more efficiently than the government, the price of a ticket might still be too much to swallow for folks weighing a train trip against a commuter-length drive (like Richmond to D.C., which I travel occasionally).

  • http://www.marfdrat.net marfdrat

    Akhenaten – perhaps you could offer one or two actual reasons why you believe it is short-sighted to NOT spend tens (if not hundreds) of billions of dollars on projects that almost always go overbudget, never make a profit (and thus become enternal suckholes for taxpayer subsidies), and almost never achieve the greenies’ goal of lowering overall carbon emissions? Just saying it’s short-sighted doesn’t give us much to work with.

  • http://www.marfdrat.net marfdrat

    Kathy – thanks for your comment. I’ve ridden the Amtrak from Richmond to D.C. many times. It is certainly a less stressful way to get to Washington than to grind up I-95. I like riding trains. I don’t doubt that lots of students and the elderly enjoy the train service. Let’s get them to pay the actual cost of a ticket to ride, rather than the taxpayer-subsidized price, and see how long they keep riding. My guess is not very long. Take Amtrak,for instance: the average loss per rider in 2008 was $32 (this just covers operating costs). Add this to the $48 cost of a ticket from Richmond to D.C. and suddenly it’s not so affordable to do this every day. Also, my day was just as long riding the train as if I drove – I was just less stressed out when I got to the end of it. The trains aren’t really very fast at all.

    I say they’re not wanted or needed by the millions of taxpayers who subsidize the very small number of people that actually use the service. Most mornings, that Richmond to D.C. train was more than half empty. State and local governments have a habit of overestimating (ridicously so) the potential ridership of these rail lines, and subsequent revenue streams are far less than is needed to fund the operation of the system. So, the taxpayers get left holding the bag. From an economic perspective, these systems are long-term drains on the public purse.

    One of the reasons folks like to say these rail lines are “good” is that they reduce the amount of carbon emissions, thereby helping the so-called global warming problem. The reality is rail systems use as much energy and create as much carbon emissions per passenger mile as the same number of people driving cars. Nothing is really gained.

    In the end, huge amounts of taxpayer funding that could have been put to better use somewhere else end up subsidizing the relatively few folks who use these systems.

    Here’s a good source for reading about the true cost of light rail systems: http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/transportation/urban-transit This article, and numerous others like it offers lots of evidence that what people believe about the presumed advantages of rail transit just isn’t true.

  • Akhenaten

    Your view is short-sighted, which is typical, very typical…

  • Kathy

    What do you base your statement that they are not needed or wanted.  I have used the trains for several years that go between Springfield and Chicago in Illinois.  Each year I have seen their ridership increase by college students, the elderly and other segments of the population. 

    If you only look at the short term then maybe you are correct.  But one of the biggest problems in the country, in my opinion, is that we never look long term at the environment, economics, etc.  Decreasing train travel in this country has been detrimental in many ways, for our environment, the ability of our more disabled or disadvantaged to travel easily and the effect on our economy.  I feel we can learn much from our counterparts in Europe and Asia that have amazing and progressive mass transit systems. 

  • http://twitter.com/fulltimemonti Andrew Bolin

    Are you taking the $40billion of federal highway funding into account?  Or the additional state highway funding.  ”Free”ways are not free. Rail is the only transportation industry built by means of the free market.  Unfortunately, currently, the only way to compete with other modes of transportation is subsidized.  Lets drop subsidization of all transportation and see which mode wins out.